17 July 2022

Mathematics vs Physics (2000-)

"The message is that mathematics is quasi-empirical, that mathematics is not the same as physics, not an empirical science, but I think it's more akin to an empirical science than mathematicians would like to admit." (Gregory Chaitin, [interview] 2000)

"A good poem has a unified structure, each word fits perfectly, there is nothing arbitrary about it, metaphors hold together and interlock, the sound of a word and its reflections of meaning complement each other. Likewise postmodern physics asks: How well does everything fit together in a theory? How inevitable are its arguments? Are the assumptions well founded or somewhat arbitrary? Is its overall mathematical form particularly elegant?" (F David Peat, "From Certainty to Uncertainty", 2002)

"Where we find certainty and truth in mathematics we also find beauty. Great mathematics is characterized by its aesthetics. Mathematicians delight in the elegance, economy of means, and logical inevitability of proof. It is as if the great mathematical truths can be no other way. This light of logic is also reflected back to us in the underlying structures of the physical world through the mathematics of theoretical physics." (F David Peat, "From Certainty to Uncertainty", 2002)

"Pure mathematics was characterized by an obsession with proof, rigor, beauty, and elegance, and sought its foundations in the disembodied worlds of logic or intuition. Far from being coextensive with physics, pure mathematics could be ‘applied’ only after it had been made foundationally secure by the purists." (Andrew Warwick,"Masters of Theory: Cambridge and the rise of mathematical physics", 2003)

"What appear to be the most valuable aspects of the theoretical physics we have are the mathematical descriptions which enable us to predict events. These equations are, we would argue, the only realities we can be certain of in physics; any other ways we have of thinking about the situation are visual aids or mnemonics which make it easier for beings with our sort of macroscopic experience to use and remember the equations." (Celia Green, "The Lost Cause", 2003)

"This is not what I thought physics was about when I started out: I learned that the idea is to explain nature in terms of clearly understood mathematical laws; but perhaps comparisons are the best we can hope for." (Hans Christian von Baeyer, "Information, The New Language of Science", 2003)

"What appear to be the most valuable aspects of the theoretical physics we have are the mathematical descriptions which enable us to predict events. These equations are, we would argue, the only realities we can be certain of in physics; any other ways we have of thinking about the situation are visual aids or mnemonics which make it easier for beings with our sort of macroscopic experience to use and remember the equations." (Celia Green, "The Lost Cause", 2003)

"Natura non facit saltum or, Nature does not make leaps […] If you assume continuity, you can open the well-stocked mathematical toolkit of continuous functions and differential equations, the saws and hammers of engineering and physics for the past two centuries (and the foreseeable future)." (Benoit B Mandelbrot and Richard Hudson,"The (Mis)Behaviour of Markets: A Fractal View of Risk, Ruin and Reward", 2004)

"Although nature suggests a pathway to a mathematical description of everything, it has thus far eluded a final or complete grand mathematical synthesis. […] Mathematics is therefore inspired by nature. But it does not have to conduct experimental observations to proceed. The worlds of mathematics and theoretical physics are therefore distinct - they have different 'mission statements'. Whereas theoretical physics maps the properties of the nature we experience, mathematics builds a map of all possible 'natures' that logic permits to exist." (Leon M Lederman & Christopher T Hill, "Symmetry and the Beautiful Universe", 2004)

"If you assume continuity, you can open the well-stocked mathematical toolkit of continuous functions and differential equations, the saws and hammers of engineering and physics for the past two centuries (and the foreseeable future)." (Benoît Mandelbrot, "The (Mis)Behaviour of Markets: A Fractal View of Risk, Ruin and Reward", 2004)

"Mathematicians have evolved a systematic way of thinking about symmetries that is fairly easy to grasp at the outset and a lot of fun to play with. This almost magical subject is known as group theory. […] Group theory is the mathematical language of symmetry, and it is so important that it seems to play a fundamental role in the very structure of nature. It governs the forces we see and is believed to be the organizing principle underlying all of the dynamics of elementary particles. Indeed, in modem physics the concept of symmetry serves as perhaps the most crucial concept of all. Symmetry principles are now known to dictate the basic laws of physics, to control the structure and dynamics of matter, and to define the fundamental forces in nature. Nature, at its most fundamental level, is defined by symmetry." (Leon M Lederman & Christopher T Hill, "Symmetry and the Beautiful Universe", 2004)

"Symmetry is ubiquitous. Symmetry has myriad incarnations in the innumerable patterns designed by nature. It is a key element, often the central or defining theme, in art, music, dance, poetry, or architecture. Symmetry permeates all of science, occupying a prominent place in chemistry, biology, physiology, and astronomy. Symmetry pervades the inner world of the structure of matter, the outer world of the cosmos, and the abstract world of mathematics itself. The basic laws of physics, the most fundamental statements we can make about nature, are founded upon symmetry." (Leon M Lederman & Christopher T Hill, "Symmetry and the Beautiful Universe", 2004)

"Theoretical physics borrows from mathematics (or, if there's none to borrow, they invent new mathematics) in order to create a mathematical roadmap of things that can happen in the real world, in nature. It strives to explain all of the many different phenomena observed in the universe, perhaps ultimately seeking one elegant and economical logical system. However, physicists usually settle for lesser triumphs, in which many physical systems with common and comprehensible behaviors are successfully described. This description is always created in the abstract language of mathematics." (Leon M Lederman & Christopher T Hill, "Symmetry and the Beautiful Universe", 2004)

"To avoid getting mired in mathematical questions beyond human capabilities, perhaps you should stay closer to physics." (David Ruelle, "Conversations on Nonequilibrium Physics With an Extraterrestrial", Physics Today, 2004)

"We have come, in our time, to systematize our understanding of the rules of nature. We say that these rules are the laws of physics. The language of the laws of nature is mathematics. We acknowledge that our understanding of the laws is still incomplete, yet we know how to proceed to enlarge our understanding by means of the 'scientific method' - a logical process of observation and reason that distills the empirically true statements we can make about nature." (Leon M Lederman & Christopher T Hill, "Symmetry and the Beautiful Universe", 2004)

"[...] the view that math provides absolute certainty and is static and perfect while physics is tentative and constantly evolving is a false dichotomy. Math is actually not that different from physics. Both are attempts of the human mind to organize, to make sense, of human experience; in the case of physics, experience in the laboratory, in the physical world, and in the case of math, experience in the computer, in the mental mindscape of pure mathematics. And mathematics is far from static and perfect; it is constantly evolving, constantly changing, constantly morphing itself into new forms. New concepts are constantly transforming math and creating new fields, new viewpoints, new emphasis, and new questions to answer. And mathematicians do in fact utilize unproved new principles suggested by computational experience, just as a physicist would." (Gregory Chaitin, "Meta Math: The Quest for Omega", 2005)

"At every major step physics has required, and frequently stimulated, the introduction of new mathematical tools and concepts. Our present understanding of the laws of physics, with their extreme precision and universality, is only possible in mathematical terms." (Michael F Atiyah, 2005)

"One could also question whether we are looking for a single overarching mathematical structure or a combination of different complementary points of view. Does a fundamental theory of Nature have a global definition, or do we have to work with a series of local definitions, like the charts and maps of a manifold, that describe physics in various 'duality frames'. At present string theory is very much formulated in the last kind of way." (Robbert Dijkgraaf, "Mathematical Structures", 2005)

"Quantum physics, in particular particle and string theory, has proven to be a remarkable fruitful source of inspiration for new topological invariants of knots and manifolds. With hindsight this should perhaps not come as a complete surprise. Roughly one can say that quantum theory takes a geometric object (a manifold, a knot, a map) and associates to it a (complex) number, that represents the probability amplitude for a certain physical process represented by the object." (Robbert Dijkgraaf, "Mathematical Structures", 2005)

"[…] mathematicians are much more concerned for example with the structure behind something or with the whole edifice. Mathematicians are not really puzzlers. Those who really solve mathematical puzzles are the physicists. If you like to solve mathematical puzzles, you should not study mathematics but physics!" (Carlo Beenakker, [interview] 2006)

"[…] and unlike the physics or chemistry or engineering of today, which will almost surely appear archaic to technicians of the far future, Euler’s formula will still appear, to the arbitrarily advanced mathematicians ten thousand years hence, to be beautiful and stunning and untarnished by time. (Paul J Nahin, "Dr. Euler's Fabulous Formula: Cures Many Mathematical Ills", 2006)

"Mathematics is useful. It is the language of physics, and some aspects of mathematics are important in all the sciences and their applications and also in finance. But my personal experience is that good mathematicians are rarely pushed by a high sense of duty and achievement that would urge them to do something useful. In fact, some mathematicians prefer to think that their work is absolutely useless." (David Ruelle, "The Mathematician's Brain", 2007)

"Three principles - the conformability of nature to herself, the applicability of the criterion of simplicity, and the 'unreasonable effectiveness' of certain parts of mathematics in describing physical reality - are thus consequences of the underlying law of the elementary particles and their interactions. Those three principles need not be assumed as separate metaphysical postulates. Instead, they are emergent properties of the fundamental laws of physics." (Murray Gell-Mann, [TED talk] 2007)

"To me, mathematical physics has a unique character: Nature herself takes you by the hand and shows you the outline of mathematical theories that an unaided pure mathematician would not have seen. But many details remain hidden, and it is our task to bring them to light." (David Ruelle, "The Mathematician's Brain", 2007)

"We can describe general relativity using either of two mathematically equivalent ideas: curved space-time or metric field. Mathematicians, mystics and specialists in general relativity tend to like the geometric view because of its elegance. Physicists trained in the more empirical tradition of high-energy physics and quantum field theory tend to prefer the field view, because it corresponds better to how we (or our computers) do concrete calculations." (Frank Wilczek, "The Lightness of Being: Mass, Ether, and the Unification of Forces", 2008)

"Where things get really interesting is when unexpected bridges emerge between parts of the mathematical world that were remote from each other in the mental picture that had been developed by previous generations of mathematicians. When this happens, one gets the feeling that a sudden wind has blown away the fog that was hiding parts of a beautiful landscape. In my own work this type of great surprise has come mostly from the interaction with physics." (Alain Connes [in"The Princeton Companion to Mathematics" Ed. by Timothy Gowers et al, 2008])

"The concept of symmetry is used widely in physics. If the laws that determine relations between physical magnitudes and a change of these magnitudes in the course of time do not vary at the definite operations (transformations), they say, that these laws have symmetry (or they are invariant) with respect to the given transformations. For example, the law of gravitation is valid for any points of space, that is, this law is in variant with respect to the system of coordinates." (Alexey Stakhov et al, "The Mathematics of Harmony", 2009)

"Much of the recorded knowledge of physics and engineering is written in the form of mathematical models. These mathematical models form the foundations of our understanding of the universe we live in. Furthermore, nearly all of the existing technology, in one way or another, rests on these models. To the extent that we are surrounded by evidence of the technology working and being reliable, human confidence in the validity of the underlying mathematical models is all but unshakable." (Jerzy A Filar, "Mathematical Models", 2009)

"There is nothing as dreamy and poetic, nothing as radical, subversive, and psychedelic, as mathematics. It is every bit as mind blowing as cosmology or physics (mathematicians conceived of black holes long before astronomers actually found any), and allows more freedom of expression than poetry, art, or music (which depends heavily on properties of the physical universe). Mathematics is the purest of the arts, as well as the most misunderstood. (Paul Lockhart, "A Mathematician's Lament", 2009)

"If we believe that the task of physics is the discovery of a timeless mathematical equation that captures every aspect of the universe, then we believe that the truth about the universe lies outside the universe." (Lee Smolin, "Time Reborn: From the Crisis in Physics to the Future of the Universe", 2013)

"[…] the bottom line is that if you believe in an external reality independent of humans, then you must also believe that our physical reality is a mathematical structure. Nothing else has a baggage-free description. In other words, we all live in a gigantic mathematical object - one that’s more elaborate than a dodecahedron, and probably also more complex than objects with intimidating names such as Calabi-Yau manifolds, tensor bundles and Hilbert spaces, which appear in today’s most advanced physics theories. Everything in our world is purely mathematical - including you." (Max Tegmark, "Our Mathematical Universe: My Quest for the Ultimate Nature of Reality", 2014)

"Mathematical modeling is the modern version of both applied mathematics and theoretical physics. In earlier times, one proposed not a model but a theory. By talking today of a model rather than a theory, one acknowledges that the way one studies the phenomenon is not unique; it could also be studied other ways. One's model need not claim to be unique or final. It merits consideration if it provides an insight that isn't better provided by some other model." (Reuben Hersh, "Mathematics as an Empirical Phenomenon, Subject to Modeling", 2017)

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